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Episode 4 · with Jeremy Greening

What If Joy Isn't the Opposite of Grief?

By Jodi Salmond

3 August 2026

Portrait of Jeremy Greening, guest on The Element of Play podcast Episode 4.
Jeremy Greening, founder of Valleys to Victory.

There is something strange that can happen in a hard season. You can be carrying grief, stress, burnout or heartbreak and then, for a moment, something cuts through it. You laugh. You notice something beautiful. You have a genuinely good conversation. You dance in the kitchen. You catch yourself enjoying the day.

And sometimes, almost immediately, another feeling follows: guilt.

As if feeling good means the hard thing mattered less. As if joy somehow cancels grief. As if laughing means you are moving on too quickly or dishonouring what happened.

After my conversation with Jeremy Greening, I kept coming back to whether joy was ever the opposite of grief in the first place.

Joy Does Not Cancel Pain

Jeremy has spent years walking alongside people through grief, loss, burnout and difficult seasons, both through his work and through experiences in his own life. One of the things he said that stayed with me was that joy does not replace grief. They can exist together.

You can deeply miss someone and still laugh. You can carry sorrow and still experience peace. You can feel the weight of what happened and still have a moment that feels light. That moment does not erase anything.

Jeremy described those small moments of joy as reminders that we are still alive. They are not evidence that we have forgotten. They are signs that healing is quietly doing its work.

I think that matters because we often talk about healing as though it is a clean exchange. Pain out, joy in. Grief gone, life restored, lovely tidy bow.

Except life is rarely that neat.

Sometimes both things are true at once. You can still hurt and still be okay for five minutes.

We Are Very Good at Pretending We Are Fine

One of Jeremy's strongest points was around the pressure people feel to cope better than they actually are.

We put on the face. We say we are fine. We keep functioning. We answer the messages, go to work, make dinner and carry on, while underneath all of that there can be this quiet belief that we should be handling it better.

Jeremy talks about the importance of removing the shame around being in a hard season and allowing yourself to admit that you are struggling. He also speaks about how much difference the right support network can make when people stop trying to carry everything alone.

Pain is already heavy enough without adding performance to it.

You do not need to look resilient enough, recover on somebody else's timeline or explain why something still hurts. But you also do not need to stay inside the pain to prove that it was real.

Don't Camp in the Valley

Jeremy describes difficult seasons as valleys.

We do not choose most of them. We find ourselves there because life changes, someone dies, something ends, our health shifts, money gets tight, burnout takes hold, or the version of life we thought we were building suddenly changes shape.

His point is not to deny the valley. It is to avoid making it your permanent address.

Jeremy talks about how the valley can become familiar. We get used to surviving there. We create routines around the exhaustion. We start to think this is simply who we are now.

But moving forward does not mean forgetting. In grief, it does not mean leaving someone behind. It means learning how to carry what mattered forward in a different way.

I really like that distinction because I think sometimes we confuse staying connected to the past with staying in pain. They are not the same thing.

You can love what was, miss what was and still keep moving.

Play Is Not Escaping Reality

This was probably my favourite part of the whole conversation.

When I asked Jeremy what play meant to him, he said that he no longer sees it as something childish or as simply playing a game or sport. For him, play is something that reconnects us with the life we were created to live.

It is the moment where we stop merely existing and start engaging with life again. That might be laughing with family around the table, going for a walk, sitting by the ocean or trying something new without worrying whether you are good at it.

And then he said the line that really landed:

"Play is not about escaping reality. It is about reconnecting with it." (Jeremy Greening)

That feels particularly important when life is hard.

Suggesting play to someone who is grieving or burned out can sound ridiculous if we frame it as "just cheer up" or "go have some fun." That is not what I mean by play.

Play does not require us to pretend the hard thing is not hard. It gives us a moment where hard is not the only thing we can feel. A laugh. A breath. A bit of movement. A silly moment. A conversation. Something beautiful.

Not because the grief disappeared, but because you are still here.

You Don't Have to Wait Until You're Fixed

I think this is where the conversation connects so strongly with everything I believe about play.

We have a habit of postponing the good parts of life until everything else is sorted.

We tell ourselves we will rest when things calm down, make time for ourselves when the project is finished, start having fun again when we feel better, be social when we have more energy, or let ourselves enjoy life once we are healed.

But what if healing actually needs some of those things along the way?

Jeremy talked about how people often lose joy when life becomes heavy because survival takes over. His question becomes: what is one small thing you can do today to bring a little spark back?

Not a transformation. Not a new life. Just a spark.

A good coffee. A ridiculous dog. A song you love. Walking outside and actually looking at the sky. Being around someone who makes you laugh. Doing something completely unnecessary because it feels good.

Tiny joy still counts.

My Reflection

I do not think feeling alive is disrespectful to the things that hurt us. I think sometimes it is evidence that they did not get to take everything.

There are experiences that change us permanently. There are people we will always miss. There are things we do not simply "get over."

But maybe the goal is not getting over them. Maybe it is learning how to carry them without letting them become the only thing we carry.

To let grief sit beside joy, sadness sit beside laughter and memory sit beside whatever comes next.

Because feeling good for a moment does not make the pain less real. It just means pain is not the only thing that is real.

And perhaps that is one of the reasons play matters so much in hard seasons. It reminds us that we are still capable of feeling something else.

Play of the Week

Find One Spark

Jeremy talks about victory as a series of small, intentional steps rather than one giant moment where everything suddenly becomes okay.

So this week, keep it small.

Ask yourself:

What is one thing that makes me feel a little more alive today?

It might be a walk, a coffee, music, calling someone you miss, sitting outside, watching the clouds, making dinner for someone or laughing at something completely stupid.

Then do that one thing.

You do not need to turn it into a healing practice or make it productive. Just notice the spark.

Because sometimes one small moment of aliveness is enough to remind you that the valley is not the whole landscape.

This article is part of Articles & Reflections from The Element of Play, Jodi Salmond's work exploring adult play, burnout recovery, playful leadership, self-connection and more human ways of living and leading.

Connect with Jeremy Greening

Jeremy Greening is the founder of Valleys to Victory, where he supports people through grief, burnout and life's deepest valleys with hope, compassion and practical support.

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Listen to the Full Episode

Listen to my full conversation with Jeremy Greening on The Element of Play. We talk about grief, burnout, difficult seasons, support, shame, small steps, joy, play and why moving forward does not mean forgetting what came before.

Listen to Episode 4